A realistic look at Florida

Florida’s upcoming primary is a very important one in the Republican race. There is simply no way around that … there is a huge number of delegates up for grabs, in a winner-take-all situation. This is also the first major “closed” primary. That means that there will be no independents or Democrats voting in the race (in NH, for example, Undeclared voters may vote in either primary … in Michigan, voters could vote in either primary regardless of registration).

This primary is also made especially important because of Rudy Giuliani’s unorthodox strategy, which had him abandoning the early states for larger, more delegate-rich (and less conservative) states. He, therefore, is a larger factor now than he has been in previous states.

In the delegate race, this is a big deal — the winner in Florida will almost certainly pull ahead in the delegate race. Unlike other states, where the winner might get the same delegates as a candidate who finishes in a close second, the winner in Florida gets them all. All 57 of them. Romney, the current leader in GOP delegates, has 59 delegates. If Rudy Giuliani, who currently has only 1 delegate, wins that 57, he suddenly comes to a very close second, from his current position behind Ron Paul and the withdrawn Fred Thompson (tied, I think, with withdrawn Duncan Hunter, who picked up a delegate in Wyoming).

So, what does all of this mean?

For Rudy Giuliani, his campaign might well live or die by his results in Florida. He staked everything on a big win there, and he has no momentum from his previous abysmal finishes. If he wins, then he looks like his strategy had merit, he’s doing well in delegates, and he’s in the race. More importantly, he makes news for this strategy, and might have momentum to carry into other states.

If he loses, I think he’s done. He might hang on for Super Tuesday, but I don’t think that he’s a factor at all if he fails to win in Florida after spending so much time there.

My prediction? Mayor Giuliani will be third in Florida, but I don’t think that he’ll bow out until after Super Tuesday. But I don’t expect him to win anything then, either. He’s already trailing in Real Clear Politics polls in even New York. A Florida win might give him enough of a “bounce” to win somewhere else, but anything less probably renders him irrelevant for the rest of the nomination run.

Mitt Romney is too far ahead in delegates right now, and has too much momentum, to be shut off by a loss in Florida. It will hurt him, but he’s got enough wins and is doing well enough that I don’t think he’s doomed unless the polls are disastrously wrong and he’s crushed in Florida. Even that, though, he can probably recover.

I don’t expect him to be crushed. I expect him to take second place. Probably a close second (down by 2-3 percentage points).

John McCain is my prediction to win Florida. This will put him in the lead in the delegate race and make people start questioning the wisdom of pundits who claim that he isn’t really a Republican … since he won in a closed primary.

A loss in Florida will hurt greatly, but will probably not crush him unless it’s a disaster. McCain won South Carolina and New Hampshire, though, which show him as a viable candidate even with a second, and maybe third, place finish. Anything lower than that (which won’t happen) could put the brakes on the momentum.

Mike Huckabee’s campaign has chosen largely to focus its resources on other states where we have more chance to win. This hurts, frankly. We won in Iowa, and had a close second in South Carolina. We need to win something soon, but Florida isn’t going to be it. A fourth place finish out of five serious candidates is going to hurt badly.

On the other hand, the withdrawal of Fred Thompson might bring more of the social conservatives around, and the Duncan Hunter endorsement should help with immigration voters who are finally taking a look at Gov. Huckabee’s real proposals.

decent fourth would be good. I think that the expectation here is low  enough that we won’t be too badly broken by the weak showing … as long as Super Tuesday is good to us.

Ron Paul doesn’t have the appeal to Floridians that he had in New Hampshire, Iowa, or Nevada. I expect a single-digit finish here for a fairly-distant fifth place. This won’t end the campaign, because I don’t think that Rep. Paul has any intention of withdrawing before the convention. To have any kind of a realistic shot at the nomination, though, he will need to win something soon. To the Ron Paul supporters, I’m sorry … I don’t think that he will be winning anything.
In summary … I think that we will finally be rid of the Giuliani campaign after Florida, at least in any meaningful sense. I expect that John McCain will secure his front-runner status, leaving Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee to work for Super Tuesday.

Florida will narrow the field to the three candidates who have already won — Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, and John McCain — as we go into Super Tuesday. I’ll write my Super Tuesday preliminary predictions tomorrow.

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11 Responses to “A realistic look at Florida”

  1. tam Says:

    I think you are correct on Ron Paul getting fifth, but I think it will be double digits. I am still holding out for a win for my team though… I think we have a chance in Alaska and Hawaii (sure they don’t count for much, but better then nothing).

  2. Susan Says:

    Mike has NOT, I repeat NOT withdrawn from Florida. Please do not perpetuate this rumor that was started by the press. Mike has tightened up his operation, and is working with the grassroots organizations in FL to bring the vote out! Check Mike’s website to see that he is still VERY much campaigning in Florida:
    http://my.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=FloridaHQ.Home

  3. wickle Says:

    Alex, I don’t know what you’re talking about … but not only do I “say” that I’m a Huckabee supporter, I think that some of my 100+ posts about him will demonstrate that pretty well.

    I also don’t know what you’re talking about in terms of using your name in vain. I didn’t refer to you. No offense, but I’ve never been to your site before. I stand by much of my analysis, but I’ll change the wording a bit …

  4. wickle Says:

    Tam,

    I don’t know if there are enough points left for Rep. Paul to hit double-digits … unless you’re thinking of a pretty close finish all around.

    30-25-18-15-12? Actually, I can see that …

    OK, never mind … apparently, this post wasn’t worth writing. I’ve managed to offend my fellow Huckabee supporters and the one other consistent reader I had. Whoo-hoo!

    With this kind of record, maybe I should go work for CNN!

  5. Chad Says:

    Ron Paul still has a good chance of winning WV, and these 2nd place finishes don’t look bad either.

  6. in2thefray Says:

    Probably no solace since I’m with Mitt but… I actually thought this was a good and fair post. I also would be willing to testify that you are indeed a Huckabee supporter and very open and honest about it.

  7. wickle Says:

    I don’t really get how I undermined the campaign, anyway … I’d love for Huckabee to carry Florida with 91%, leaving 3% each for Paul, Romney, and McCain … Giuliani drops out after realizing that no one wants him. Huckabee carries the rest of the South and West, wins the nomination, and then 8 years as President.

    I just don’t think that that’s how it’s going to play out … so, my “realistic look at FL” deals with what I think, not what I want.

    And, yes, there is solace in being recognized for honesty by another honest person … even if we disagree on particular candidates.

    We’ll see what happens.

  8. tam Says:

    Chad – you really think Paul can take WV? I was thinking 2nd or 3rd. I think that he also has a strong chance for 2nd or 3rd in Montana too.

    Wickle, by no means did you offend me. I think your article was very fair. And it is crazy for someone to dismiss your support for Huckabee as not being real, simply because you are honestly presenting your thoughts…

    BTW – I was thinking more like 10% for Paul. I do think Florida is going to be close for everyone. I think we will see a lot of different winners in various precincints… Florida really has a mixed electorate, depending on the region.

  9. Karen Says:

    I am a diehard Huckabee supporter, and I was not the least bit offended by your post. It is your opinion of how this next contest might end up and it is supported by the current numbers. From a CNN.com article I read today:
    “In a survey conducted for the Miami Herald, the St. Petersburg Times and Bay News 9, Giuliani only registers 15 percent among Republican primary voters. That puts him in a tie with Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, who has spent little time in the state and has only a fraction of the organization Giuliani has there.
    McCain and Romney are statistically tied for the top: McCain at 25 percent and Romney at 23 percent.
    Giuliani also finds himself in third place in a new American Research Group poll with 16 percent, a statistical tie with Huckabee’s 17 percent. McCain leads that poll with 29 percent and Romney is second with 22 percent.
    The Miami Herald/St. Petersburg Times/Bay News 9 poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 5.1 percentage points, while the ARG poll’s margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points. Both were conducted January 20-22.”
    So Huckabee could come out ahead of Guiliani for a third place finish. I don’t think Guiliani’s strategy is working very well for him. I am surprised by the surge McCain is enjoying, but it is what it is. We’ll just have to see how it pans out…

  10. Christopher Says:

    Huck will probably show well in the Southern States as will McCain, the other part of the southern states will go to obama mostly, clinton second.

    but if you just want to vote on social issues that is fine, I guess, if you want.

    but I choose to vote for a growing economy and Romneys message, improving my life and the life of others will give more people the oppurtunities to learn about and be involved with choices such as abortion, illegals, school choice…if you work all the time trying to pay outrageous taxation and at low jobs because of government education, then you will stay out of the debates and you won’t be heard. I believe that to be true.
    first education, second secure job, third social issues…the more people in the debate and the fairer it is, the very idea of America

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